Society & Culture

Welcome to Pillow Talk With Bros: Exploring Masculinity with Open Beers and Open Hearts. We are going to dive into what it means to be a man in the modern world and the different issues men face in our lifestyle, health, career, and relationships.


June 1, 2021

What’s My Purpose!?

Episode 49 - My guest, Joey Chandler, is a purpose coach and host of the "What's Your Purpose?" Podcast He is out to normalize people talking about purpose and works with entrepreneurs, executives, coaches, and consultants to make their purpose part of their everyday life. His purpose is about people being free and for that he helps people clarify who they are and how to be more of that on a day-to-day basis. You can take his free survey to clarify your purpose at:

Joey and I talk about the importance of purpose, finding the message we have that everyone needs to hear, and Joey asks me his two questions to help me find my purpose! 

Drink of the Day - COMIN IN HOP SESSION IPA from Talisman Brewing Company in Ogden, UT. It has a piney hop flavor but some really great Citrus and tropical fruit aromas. 5.0% ABV. Check em out at or @talismanbrewingco on Instagram.

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK - Sankofa Beer Company-- The foundation for Sankofa Beer Company pulls from the founders' upbringing in West Africa.  At Sankofa Beer Company they challenge the conventions of craft beer by drawing inspiration from the abundance of the African continent. Creating inclusive spaces where culture meets craft, that reinvent beer consumption and its consumers.  They use great ingredients, to craft great beers for great people! Check em out at or on Instagram @sankofabeer

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Episode 48 - In today's episode, Joe and his guest Crystal, talk about their experience with divorce, the stigma of divorce in our society, the tags they felt like they were forced to wear because of their divorce, and if divorce has changed their opinion about marriage.


Drink of the Day- Joe is drinking a Shambo Juicy IPA from RoHa Brewing in Salt Lake City, Utah. This is a big hop forward IPA, with a punch of juicy citrus notes in the aroma. The pineapple, stone fruit, and citrussy hop flavors are prevalent. This beer is unfiltered, allowing its true flavor profile to come through, the nose is clean and finishes smooth.  ABV 7.0% Check em out at Insta @rohabrewing



Weathered Souls Brewing Company is not a chain and their beer is not mass produced. They buy their grain locally and delivered to San Antonio, and South Texas. They are independent and with the support of independent loving fans, they intend to stay that way. You can’t be closer to the source of your beer than to sit in the shadow of the fermenter your beer was kegged from days before. The name says it all, we’re a little weathered by life and really don’t mind it. All part of the adventure… Weathered Souls is very happy to be a brewery where everyone is welcomed as a member of their brewery family. They have several old-school philosophies about life and business and one driving force is their philosophy that, if the beer is good enough, folks will find out. So they don’t pay for advertising, and rely on word of mouth just like his Dad did. It’ll take longer to grow the business, but it gives them a lot of satisfaction knowing that they succeed because folks care about them and their beer. They have had great success with their new “Black is Beautiful” initiative, visit their website to find out more. 

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Episode 47 - On today's episode of Pillow Talk With Bros, Joe and his guests, Patrick & Nick, talk about their experiences with failure, how they treat others in response to failure, whether or not they associate achievement with their self-worth, and how they are able to accept failure without it leading to resentment.

Drink of the Day - Joe is drinking a Wilson Mountain Style IPA from Roadhouse brewing in Jackson Hole, WY. It has an 7.5% ABV and intense hops & citrusy notes. Check em out at or on  Instagram @roadhousebeer

Patrick is drinking a Love and Wrestling Double IPA from Mayflower Brewing, and Nick is sticking with this domestic staple of college campuses everywhere, Natural Light. 


In 2017, two friends, Elliot and Jahi, decided to open a brewing company after years of homebrewing. Their mission is to be recognized in the craft beer industry for their stylistically un-styled craft beer offerings and to create a culture that embraces creativity and inclusion. Soul Mega literally means “the embodiment of something great.” It represents their vision for the company and their belief that their dream will manifest much larger than they can presently imagine. The name Soul Mega serves as a reminder to the limitless potential of the human spirit.

Book Recommendations - Patrick recommends The One Thing by Gary Keller & Nick recommends The 12 Week Year by Brian P. Moran & Michael Lennington.

Music Recommendations - Patrick recommends the band Deer Tick & Nick throws some love to Kid Cudi.

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Episode 46 - In today's episode, Joe and his guest Matthew P Brown, talk about our experiences with anxiety, how we overcome it, whether or not we confuse anxiety with stress, and living with OCD.

Drink of the Day - Joe is drinking a Ferda Imperial Double India Pale Ale from T.F. Brewing in Salt Lake City, UT, and Matthew is drinking a Whirlpool Pale Ale from Nightshift Brewing Company. Check 'em out!

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK -  Cajun Fire Brewing Company is a family-owned business and the first black owned brewing company in Louisiana and the south, and the fifth black owned brewing brewery in U.S. history. The company was founded in New Orleans in 2011, and has been nationally recognized as a catalytic business that has tackled inequities within the craft beverage industry since inception. The company/LLC via its mission, "Brewing for socio-economic gains one pint at a time", has created not only an increase in civic pride but also tangible accomplishments for many community-driven initiatives. To learn more go to their website Check em out at 

Matthew's Book Recommendations - Can’t Hurt Me by David Goggins, Think Like A Monk by Jay Schetti, and Born Standing Up by Steve Martin.

Matthew Music Artist he is Obsessed With - Eminem

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April 6, 2021

Good Grief!

Episode 45 - In today's episode, Joe and his guest Jonathan talk about how they handled and coped with grief. They also talk about siblings being the forgotten mourners & how grief affected their behavior.

Drink of the Day - Zion Pale Ale from Zion Brewery. Orange lemon and grapefruit hop aroma and flavor meld perfectly with a rich malty American Style Pale Ale. Check em out at


Mack Brewing Company  - Mack Brewing Co. is an up and coming brewery located in West Philadelphia and spearheaded by owner and brewer – Philly Mack. "I want people to have fun, listen to some dope music, light up whatever you smoke, Chill and kick it with your friends. Enjoy the complexity of the IPA while trying to simplify the complexities of life". Check em out at or  on Instagram @mackbrewingco 

Jonathan's Book Recommendation - Leadership and Self Deception by The Arbinger Institute 

Jonathan's Music Recommendation - Muse or Shinedown. 

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Episode 44 - Today’s episode is all about Accountability. Joe and his guest Christian talk about what accountability looks like today, whether or not men handle being held accountable well, and how it makes them feel when someone holds them accountable. 

Drink of the Day - Joe is drinking a Hopspital IPA from Proper Brewing Co. Hopspital is brewed with three kinds of hops in the boil and dry hopping stages. Chinook and Glacier hops add a piney, fruity body with hints of citrus while Nelson Sauvin from New Zealand lend a tangy, subtly tropical flavor with notes of kiwi, gooseberry and peach. Drink two and call me in the morning. They are located in Salt Lake City, Utah. Check them out at Christian is drinking a Helles Lager from KC Bier Company, check them out at

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK - Cocoa Cutie- Denise, the Artist and Creator of Cocoa Cutie, was inspired by her nieces and nephews as she was looking for products that reflected her family but was unable to find them. She literally took to the drawing board and drew what she wanted to see. Each character is hand-drawn by her and is one-of-a kind.  Building self-esteem early on in our children is paramount, so each Cocoa Cutie is available in one of four different skin tones to reflect the diversity and beauty of every child. Also, our children deserve the very best, so she makes sure each product is of the highest quality. She makes everything from Clothing, bags, home decor, and everything in-between. Check them out at or on Instagram @cocoacuties

Christian's Answers to Joe's 3 burning questions- 

Book Recommendations- Dream Big by Bob Goff & Cash Flow Quadrant by Robert Kiyosaki

Music Recommendation- Take it All Back 2.0 by Judah and the Lion

What is making his heart heavy? Comparison...don't let comparison steal your joy!

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Episode 43- Happy St. Patrick's Day Bros and Broettes! Today is our One Year Anniversary!! Alex & I reflect on the last year of the podcast, the growth we have seen in ourselves, and Joe takes the hot for some burning questions from Alex.

Drink of the Day - Joe is drinking a Happy Camper IPA from Santa Fe Brewing in Santa Fe, NM. Happy Camper is a hoppy, malty, perfectly balanced, world-class IPA made just for you. A beer that says, “I’m from New Mexico, I like good beer, and Don’t touch my motorcycle.” First brewed in 2009. First canned in 2010. And first shotgunned about 5 seconds later. It’s a New Mexico original from New Mexico’s Original Craft Brewery. Drink it with pride. It is a full bodied Ruby colored India Pale Ale. With an ABV of 6.6% this IPA is perfect for camping outdoors, or on a bar stool! Check em out at or @santafebrewing on Instagram, and Alex is drinking a Miller Lite. 

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK - Harlem Blue in New York City - Harlem Blue Premium Beer is on a mission to change the way people see craft beer. Their beers are handcrafted to reflect and match the unique diversity of life in New York City. HARLEM BORN. LOCALLY BREWED to reflect and match the unique nonstop work life balance of New York City from a Harlem POV. Harlem Blue looks to celebrate the journey as we all seek to belong and to become. Their foundation stones are simple: always brew with excellence, celebrate the moments that matter, be authentic, and tell their stories through their community. From a quick trip to the corner store, to rushing to the subway for work, or a Sunday brunch. The walk is different. The style is effortless. The hustle is innate. Check em out at or on Instagram @harlembluebeer

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Episode 42- On today's bonus episode of Pillow Talk With Bros, Rob & I talk about how we have seen misogyny take place on the new app Clubhouse, why men feel the need to talk over women, the subtle difference between sexism and misogyny, and reflect on whether or not we have participated in mansplaining behaviors.

Drink of the Day- Joe is drinking a Hop Nosh IPA from Uinta Brewing in Salt Lake City, UT. This flagship IPA boasts an assertive bitterness and vibrant hop aromatics. Expect notes of pine, lime zest, and grapefruit supported by caramel malts. At 7.3% ABV, it squeezes into Bro Beer Status. Check em out at or @uintabrewing on Instagram.

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK- Spaceway Brewery in Rocky Mount, NC is a nod to Afrofuturism; which seeks to imagine a future in which minorities who are scarcely represented in pop culture are depicted as leading characters. As in pop culture images of the future minorities are scarcely represented in the craft beer industry. Spaceway Brewing Company is unique in that its goal is to not only reinvent simple and full- flavored craft-brewed beer, but to create a sense of community through craft brewing education, innovation, activities/festivals, and community ownership, in addition to helping to change the industry’s approach toward inclusion of minorities. Check em out at or  @spaceway_brewing on Instagram

Rob's Book Recommendation is "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida and the Music Artist he is a big fan of is Big Sean. 

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Episode 41 - In today's episode of Pillow Talk With Bros, Joe and his guest Chris talk about what skills they know, why men have a need to fix things, and if they feel any shame for not knowing how to fix things around the house.

Drink of the Day - Joe is drinking a Fresh Sesh IPA, a true American IPA by Bewilder Brewing located in Salt Lake City, Utah. Hopped with Warrior, Citra and Mosaic, and then is dry hopped with Mosaic and Citra. This beer isn't super bitter, but it is hop forward with fresh citrus fruity flavors that are very bright. Check them out at or on Instagram @bewilderbeer

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK - Round 21- Founder Jasmine Maietta had the idea for round21 in 2018, after spending decades around athletes, entrepreneurs, musicians, and entertainers who love sports. "We (athletes) were expressing our identity with art on hoodies & sneakers, but what we played with remained a blank canvas." Jasmine created round21 to celebrate the originality within each player through art and to bring people together through play. Check out their work at 

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February 23, 2021

Conversation is Lubrication!!

Episode 40 - On today's episode of Pillow Talk with Bros, Joe and his guest Ana talk about what kind of sex education they received, whether they feel they have the space to initiate conversation in their sexual interactions, and whether or not we are responsible for our own pleasure. If you want to check out Ana's sex coach check her out on instagram @iamjocelynsilva

Drink of the Day - Joe is drinking a White Rainbow White India Pale Ale from Red Rock Brewery located in Salt Lake City, Utah. 

BIPOC BUSINESS OF THE WEEK - Ivy's Tea Co. is owned and operated by first-generation herbalist and Tea Bae, Shanae. The decision to study herbalism came when she decided to learn more about living off the land and using the land for healing. The brand launched in 2016, and since then has transformed into the Hip-Hop inspired tea company you shop from today. Through Ivy's Tea., Shanae hopes to change the way you see tea drinkers and introduce more African holistic health remedies into the holistic health industry. The goal is to make the industry as inclusive and reflective and acception of all cultures as Hip-Hop. Check them out at or on instagram @ivysteaco


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